the city and the state are both scrambling and struggling to keep up the city and state share. we depend on the federal money. and a sudden cut -- these have been cut back before. the budget has been cut substantially in the last couple of years. a huge budget cut on top of this in home heating assistance and certainly in sandy aid would be disastrous. >> sure. congressman welch, what do you think is going to happen? what is the solution here? >> well, the solution is that we don't act so stupid. i mean, this is really a dumb move. it's not as though we can't handle getting the deficit under control by doing some of the things the president mentioned. >> the republicans have drawn the line in the sand. no more revenue. so where does that leave the democrats? >> get rid of the loopholes. you know, in the fiscal cliff legislation, we put in a paragraph at the 11th hour that gave amgen about $500 million in increased reimbursements for medicaid -- a medicare drug. i mean, there are loopholes in there that just have no basis whatsoever in the budget. and it costs an immense amount